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Canada hasn't signed Kyoto either, because it won't achieve its purported goal of reducing greenhouse gases.

It will just put money into the pockets of China and India. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Hmmm - Howard's End!

P.S. Caveat - it doesn't make any difference - one by one they are falling!!!

Oh, to see such a pained scowl on cheney's face...sooner rather than later, I hope!
Congrats to Rudd and the Aussies!!! Send some of that good vibe over here!
Blessings,
Elspeth

We need something that will have impact and Kyoto isn't it.

Polluters/GG emitters will carry on as usual and just pay for the privilege.

If China would sign on to some serious environmental initiatives, that might have an effect.

Funny thing is, consumers overwhelmingly WANT eco-friendly alternatives. There just aren't enough products out there. Educating the consumer is working so if we can get enough demand and principled buying going on the marketplace will comply. Government is the most impotent player in the race to implement positive change in this arena. What they should be doing, instead of wasting time on weak initiatives like Kyoto is investing in new technology and R&D through grants and loans so companies can bring better products to market sooner.

When the technology is available, people will switch, increasing demand which will bring down prices. Right now, most people can't afford to retrofit to active solar ($30 - 50K here in Canada), for example, but if there's enough demand and if eco-friendly features become the norm rather than an alternative, the change will be less painful overall.

jmo

excellent.

MST3K covered the Australian elections?

Of course Howard lost -- his party is the LIBERAL party.
/Limbaugh

YAY!!

Loving chimpy isn't a good career move.

Kyoto may not be the answer to global warming, but I get a little tired of 'Kyoto bashing'. Bush & Co have done enough of it, without supposedly saner individuals jumping on the bandwagon. Kyoto is a commitment. It may not be a particularly binding commitment but it's a start. It's better than no commitment, and the US has made no commitment whatever to combating global warming. While everyone sits around having intellectual debates on what's right and what's wrong, the planet will blow up in our faces. Kyoto was never more than a baseline to build from, a show of willingness to participate. Industrialized nations who refuse to sign it put greed and power above saving possibly billions of lives. Oh, and stop blaming China. China hasn't caused the problem, and European governments were cutting environmental pollution when the phrase hadn't even been invented in the States. What the US needs is government that legislates to force motor manufacturers to produce cleaner, more economical cars (French cars of two liter capacity regularly return over 60 mpg) and corporates to clean up their filthy polluting industries. Then, and only then, can they a) begin to pressure China, and b) criticize the Kyoto Protocol.

Good riddance you racist dweeb - go back to the 1950s where you came from and where you think we should all still be!

K, sorry, I was getting serious because the environment is and always has been my number one concern.

What I meant by China is that unless China and the US sign on to a binding agreement, there's no point in even talking about one.

China and the US are responsible for 40% of worldwide emissions so without their commitment, there can't be a positive change.

Now, I promise not to be serious over here again.

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